Interesting Videoclips of the Week (November 28 – December 2, 2011)

Editor’s Note:  In this series of articles, we include important or interesting videoclips with our comments. This
is an article that expresses our personal opinions about comments made
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requirements and risk tolerances.

1. Primacy of America & the US Fed

Ben Bernanke saved the world again. On Wednesday, the world’s important Central Banks, Fed, ECB, UK, Japan & Swiss, announced a coordinated action to enhance their capacity to provide liquidity to the global financial system. These central banks agreed to lower the pricing on the existing temporary U.S. Dollar liquidity swap arrangements by 50 basis points so that the new rate will be the U.S. dollar overnight index swap (OIS) rate plus 50 basis points.

This is essentially an action by the US Fed to add dollar liquidity to European Banks through European Central Banks. The notion of coordinated global action is merely optical. The Fed does not need Swiss Franc liquidity or Euro liquidity in the American system. The Fed is delivering dollar liquidity to Europe.

So this action again demonstrates the primacy of the US Fed and the US Dollar.  This also shows the smarts of the Chinese and Japanese. Their huge investments in US Treasuries are again proving to be their best investments period.

In a sense, one could view this action by the Bernanke Fed as diabolically clever. Remember the summons by the Fed to all major financial institutions to explain their exposures to Europe a couple of months ago. Since the, the US money market funds essentially vacated the short term dollar lending market for European Banks. This was good risk management for the Fed and US financial institutions. This is the Fed’s primary job and they did it in time & well. Kudos to Chairman Bernanke. We feel fortunate to live in his financial system.

But this necessary and prudent step precipitated the crisis in European financial system by creating a Dollar shortage. So the Bernanke Fed stepped in and provided Dollar liquidity without taking any European corporate credit risk or any FX risk (see clip 1 below for Richard Fisher’s comments). So Bernanke first protected US financial system and then stepped in to offer liquidity to Europe. Smart!

Many ‘connected’ people say that a major European Bank was about to fail this week and that is why the Fed acted so swiftly and so effectively. Just look at the action in US financials to judge the effectiveness of the Fed’s action. Perhaps a better judgement was rendered by the Sovereign bond markets in Europe which rallied big.

The best comment on the stock market action came from Nouriel Roubini who tweeted late Wednesday:

  • CBs swaps action due to huge $ shortage & liquidity squeeze in financial markets due to EZ crisis. CBs preparing for worst but markets took it as positive.

Of course, this action does nothing to address the real problems in Europe. That is why Secretary Tim Geithner is going to Europe next week ahead of the momentous EU meeting on December 9.


2. “Big from ECB or else

This was a part of a tweet from Bill Gross on Tuesday, November 29 which warned of danger for financial markets if the ECB does not come in with a big solution next week. On Friday, Bloomberg reported on a European proposal to channel European Central Bank loans through the IMF for about 200 Billion Euros to underwrite lending programs for Italy or Spain, the two absolutely too big to fail troubled countries in the EU.

This sounded fine and the markets took it as fine until a rumotory (rumored story?) broke late Friday morning about congressional opposition to any IMF involvement. This was enough to send the market sliding slowly into the close. GS which was trading 102+ at 11am closed at 97+. 

The Congressional Republicans seem perturbed about the Swap arrangement announced by the Fed if Larry Kudlow’s questioning of Dallas Fed President Richard Fisher (see clip 1) is any indication. And that is a clean liquidity arrangement without any corporate credit or FX risk. Their level of discomfort today plus the intense residual anger about the 2008 TARP deal would be a significant obstacle to any IMF led bailout of Italy or Spain. We also saw a tweet on Friday quoting Canadian Finance Minister as saying “IMF aid to EU would be inappropriate“.

On the other hand, William White, Chairman of OECD’s Economic & Development Review Committee expressed hope in his conversation with Bloomberg’s Margaret Brennan on Friday, December 2:

  • There is still an enormous amount of risk out there…We are hoping that there is going to be a grand bargain sometime next week that will both give the markets what they want and will give the ECB & the governments what they want which will be a package of short term measures and long term measures that will finally bring these things under control. But it is still a very risky state of affairs.

What will this package do according to Mr. White?

  • restore investor confidence by finding ways to convince people, investors that Europe is a good place to keep their money.

This seems hoping against hope. So what is Mr. White’s basis?

  • If you look at the costs of the European breakup, the costs are really so large that you are compelled to believe that rational people will find a way to avoid those costs. If we have now different currencies reintroduced in Europe you are going to have the mother of all currency mismatches with all of the problems associated with it. There are potentially huge problems here. That is the reason why I believe they will make every effort to try to avoid this happening…Plus the fact that they have put 20 years of work into making it happen.

The phrase “rational people” rings a bell or sounds trumpets. We are talking about a people who could not act rationally in 1914 or in 1930s, who plunged the world into terrible wars. So while we are hopeful, we are not sanguine.

Jim Bianco of Bianco Research called next Friday as the EU Summit of all Summits in his Bloomberg interview. He thinks the markets are convinced that the European crisis will end on December 9. His own view:

  • Bianco – It will either end with a deal that the market is convinced will end the crisis and cause a massive rally in sovereign bonds or it will end in failure and the market will immediately start to price in more chaos, much higher sovereign bond yields and a possible breakup of the euro.

Thankfully, the VIX is low enough to buy enough cheap protection for next two weeks.

3. “Situation like Summer before Lehman”

In case the previous section did not depress you, the title of this paragraph should. Professor Robert Engle (of NYU Stern & 2003 Nobel prize fame) describes the situation today as “pretty much like the summer before Lehman“. And in case, you don’t remember, the horrific fall in stock prices began after the Lehman bankruptcy. Professor Engle made this comment during a conversation on CNBC about NYU’s ranking of the 10 Riskiest banks in the world (see clip 5 below).

Risk in this context is systemic risk and the “winner” is the bank that poses the greatest danger to the global economy in case of a financial crisis. And that “winner” is Deutsche Bank, according to Professor Engle. The silver and bronze medals go to BNP and RBS, resp.

4. China, Emerging Markets, Commodities and FX

Belief, by its very definition, is beyond reason. And quasi-religious belief is beyond reason and beyond evidence.  The central belief of growth investors is China. The believers jumped en masse to proclaim their China convictions on Wednesday when China lowered its Reserve Requirement Ratio for the first time in 3 years. The religiosity of China believers was evident in the statement of Rebecca Patterson of JP Morgan on Friday:

  • Patterson – if they (Chinese leaders) need to stabilize the economy, they can. They will.

Such “religious convictions” must be comforting during periods of market turmoil. We are jealous of Ms. Patterson’s mental comfort. Unless, of course, a JPM strategist is required to be bullish on China to protect the firm’s Investment Banking franchise.  Ms. Patterson was responding to the views of Marc Faber expressed on CNBC Money in Motion on Friday:

  • Faber – …there is an obvious slowdown in the Chinese economy and as I pointed out in my report, I think there is a chance for a hard landing.and I think the economy will weaken because we have a very capital goods oriented economy..and capital spending is very volatile…
  • Faber (in response to Patterson’s comment “who cares”?) – I think a lot of people will care if China grows only at 5% rather than 10% or 0% in a hard landing case because China is the largest buyer of commodities in the world, and if the Chinese economy slows down the demand for commodities slows down. then the economies of Brazil, Argentina, everybody is affected and then they can buy less from China and then you have a downward spiral.

Bill Gross has been a fan of Emerging Market Debt virtually all year. But he sounded a different tone in his December investment outlook:

  • Gross – …Investors should consider risk assets in emerging economies, such as Brazil and Asia, and bonds in the strongest developed economies, where the steep yield curve may offer opportunities for capital gains and potentially higher total returns.
  • Gross – … Consider Brazil with its agricultural breadbasket and its oil, Consider Asia with its underdeveloped consumer sector but be mindful of credit bubbles. (emphasis ours)

This is the first mention of credit bubbles in Asia by Bill Gross. Our extended visit to India in April-May 2011 convinced us of the credit bubble in India. This made us worried about China. Because over the past several years, China took in more foreign capital per month than India received per year. So if India had a credit bubble, then China must have a huge credit bubble. The steep fall in the Indian rupee (from 43+ to 52+ per dollar) provided India a respite of sorts.  But China is literally forced to keep its currency strong. So we shudder to think of the imbalances building up in China.

We do hope that Chanos, Faber, Roubini etc. are wrong and China begins a new growth spurt. Because if China slips into mediocre growth, then global growth runs into trouble. Then forget Commodities and run into King Dollar.

What about the latter half of the Chindia story? Read Section 7 below.
 


5. The U.S. Economy

The Non Farm Payroll report surprised a bit on the upside. This maintained the recent pattern of US economic data coming in better than expected. The drop in the unemployment rate led to a rally in stocks and a sell off in Treasuries. Then realization set in and Treasuries began to rally. The 30-year Treasury actually closed up a point on Friday. 

William Poole, former president of the St. Louis Fed, and Robert Shiller put the improvement in perspective. Mr. Poole was speaking to CNBC’s Steve Liesman and Professor Shiller was speaking with Bloomberg’s Margaret Brennan:

  • Poolethere was a decline in the unemployment rate, but it looked like there was a big decline in the labor force as well. so you have to look at that in a lot more detail to make sense of it.
  • Shiller – people are overreacting to this unemployment rate news this morning. The economy is still in a difficult situation…I like to look at the employment to population ratio which a
    s of this morning was 58.5% that’s exactly where it was at the bottom of the recession in 2009. Unemployment fell this month because people are dropping out of the labor force which is the denominator of that ratio. So I think these numbers are not so encouraging right now…. It is vulnerable especially with the rest of the world teetering on recession.  

Jim O’Neill of Goldman Sachs told CNBC (see clip 4 below) that Continental Europe may already be in a recession. Marc Faber says China is slowing down. What does it mean for the US in 2012? We still believe that Achuthan, Rosenberg, Shilling & Co will turn out to be correct next year. This may be why Bill Gross recommended the roll down the curve strategy in his December Investment Outlook:

  • Gross – focus on a consistent, “extended period of time” policy rate that allows two-to-ten year maturities to roll down a near perpetually steep yield curve to produce capital gains and total returns which exceed stingy, financially repressive coupons. A 1% five-year Treasury yield, for instance, produces a 2% return when held for 12 months under such conditions.

6. The U.S. Stock Market

Bernanke might have been correct after all. The way we see it, the most reliable economic indicator of all is the U.S. Stock market. Despite all the usual put downs about credit traders being smarter than stock traders, it seems clear that the fate of risk assets, the confidence in the global economy rests on optimism expressed by the U.S. Stock market.

The precarious perch of the U.S. economy is evidenced by the U.S. stock market gyrating like a yo-yo. After the worst thanksgiving week ever for the Dow Jones Industrial Average, this week turned out to be the second best in Dow points. This week’s rally was mainly due to global liquidity move announced by the world’s major central banks. As long as there is hope of a European solution, the stock market maintains a bid in its hope of a year-end rally.  This is why the markets have welcomed each postponement of a European decision.

But we may be coming to the end game of this trading range. The European decision is expected next week and the markets are positioned for a positive message. This makes next week rather important.

The technicians are still semi positive. Laurence McMillan of Option Strategist is still giving the “bullish case the benefit of the doubt as long as SPX remains above 1220“. He also points out that:

  • Each previously time in the last two months that $VIX has gotten below
    30, the market has sold off almost immediately. One of these times, it
    won’t, of course, but it remains to be seen if this is that time.

This is why we like “married” puts. It is the one type of marriage that actually delivers comfort. Adam Johnson of Bloomberg tweeted the views of Tom DeMark on Friday morning – “SPX upside remains 1313-1340 with 4-5 successfully higher closes above the 10/27 high close of 1284. ” These targets and levels tend to be as fluid as the market itself. Initially Tom DeMark had established the 1255-1257 level as the key target. Now that has been increased to 1284.

7. India to the rescue?

The title is to poke fun at Tim Seymour of CNBC Fast Money who went around this week proclaiming “Emerging Markets to the Rescue“. China’s cut in its RRR ratio was the first sign of rescue. The second sign of EM rescue, per Mr. Seymour, was the decision by Indian Government to open its doors to foreign retailers.  The Indian Government allowed large multi-brand retailers like Walmart, Tesco and Carrefour 100% ownership in their retail ventures. Previously they were required to get a local Indian partner.

CNBC, like Tim Seymour, jumped on this bandwagon and wrote India is poised to be Fashion’s New Muse. Neither understands that the Indian Government makes the U.S. Government look smart and decisive while the Indian political system makes the American system seem like a paragon of compromise and common sense.

The Indian Government should take taken this decision two years ago when it was riding a great election victory and when the Rupee was strong. Instead they waited until the Rupee had collapsed by 20% in a month due to capital flight. Then in the midst of their panic about attracting foreign capital, the Indian Government announced this decision to open the retail sector. In their panic, the Indian Government forgot about discussing it with either the opposition or with groups that would be affected.

So all hell broke loose. Indian towns are full of small traders & businessmen who run local stores. They rose in furious protest. This past week, 50 million traders went on a nationwide strike, yes 50 million. And that is the official count. Every opposition party rejected this move. The allies of the Indian Government also opposed this move. The Parliament has been essentially shut down. India has 26 states and these states are run by different parties, local and national. Retail in India is the responsibility of states and no retail company can do business if the state opposes it. 

This is a jobs issue, first and foremost. The agricultural and retail sector is the one sector that touches all segments of Indian society. It provides hundreds of millions of jobs. This community fears loss of jobs, loss of business from the entry of mammoth organizations like WalMart & Tesco. 

So it will be a long time before “this rescue by India” of EM investors becomes reality.

8. Jobs & Skills Mismatch

EM sounds wonderful from a macro perspective. But when you look at the micro, you see the same problems that America faces. Take jobs for example. On one hand, you have the terrific story of India’s  IIT graduates being recruited by FaceBook, Google & Microsoft:

  • The Times of India reported that Facebook paid the highest salary of any recruiter to an Indian Institute of Technology graduate – $140,000 plus one-time signing bonus and a relocation bonus. Microsoft came in to recruit for its Redmond, WA headquarters and Google hired engineers for both their India offices and global offices. As the Times of India wrote “It appeared as if the placement process at the IITs was insulated from the world’s crippled economy.”

This is the story most people know – of an India bristling with technology graduates. But very few know the real story – the story of millions of young graduates that are not bright enough to get into the handful Indian Institutes of Technology. That story is well explained in the New York Times article The Big Mismatch: Jobs and Skills.

We speak about the crippling regulations in the US that are preventing job growth. Those who feel so should read the NYT article Outsourcing Giant Finds It Must be Client Too. This is the story of how truly crippling regulations prevent job creation in India.

To us these stories suggest out-performance by America over EM. In our opinion, the EM countries face very difficult macro issues that have been hidden for many years because the availability of cheap credit. Now that credit & capital flows, especially from European Banks, will be much lower, the problems will surface and create unrest. This suggests an out-performance by America for the next couple of years at least, unless of course, the money printing by DM central banks lead to greater capital flows to EM.

But looking out a few years, the outlook for EM remains very bright if they can build sound institutions and attract long term capital. After all, the NYT points out that India is trying to produce 500 million skilled workers over the next two decades. Now a workforce that big can lead to high GDP and strong growth, two factors that attract big capital inflows. This is why Larry Fink advises long term investors to overweight markets with sustained high GDP growth. 

Featured Videoclips

  1. Richard Fisher on CNBC’s Kudlow Report on Thursday, December 1
  2. John Roque on CNBC Fast Money on Monday, November 28
  3. Jim Rogers on CNBC Europe Investors Clinic – Tuesday, November 29
  4. Jim O’Neill on CNBC Squawk on the Street on Wednesday, November 30
  5. Robert Engle on CNBC Squawk Box on Wednesday, November 30

1. One-on-One with Richard Fisher – Richard Fisher with CNBC’s Larry Kudlow – Thursday, December 1

Richard Fisher is the President of the Dallas Federal Reserve. Larry Kudlow asked him whether the Fed’s action on November 30 pushes the Fed further into the thicket of European problems. 

  • Fisher – No. what we are doing is we are providing the European Central Bank, the Bank of Canada, Bank of Japan, British Central Bank and the Swiss with the capacity to borrow dollars if their banks in their jurisdictions need dollars in order to buy dollar-based products or provide dollar-based credits. So it doesn’t solve the problems of Europe. I think Angela Merkel made that clear the last few days, likely to make it even clearer. It’s not a substitute to somehow bail out socialism in Europe or whatever the critics are saying. It’s simply a transaction in case there is a need to meet dollar credit shortages provided through those central banks. I believe it’s a pretty straight forward transaction. I support it fully.
  • KudlowA lot of people are asking now, does the Fed itself believe it has a mandate to bail out European Socialism? Does the Fed believe in the name of global stability or any other names that it has a mandate to really bail out the European Banks if the Fed becomes the lender of last resort?
  • Fisher I don’t believe we have that mandate. These are European issues. These are European banks. There is the European Central Bank and there are other regulatory authorities in Europe outside the ECB purview. That’s not what this is about. This is about providing access for dollar-based credits if they are needed, then they can draw on this facility. It’s very miniscule risk, as you know. We know what the rate being charged which is 50 basis points and we get paid back in Dollars. We are not lending to those banks. We are lending to the Central Banks, if they need it.
  • Kudlow – In the same vein, we learned through the Freedom of Information act that back in 2008, the Fed put out, according to these estimates, 7.7 trillion dollars. It was done in secret. We’ve only now several years later learned about it. Trillions of those $7.7 trillion went to foreign banks, especially foreign banks that operated in the United States. I ask you in the same vein as the earlier question, does the Fed believe it has a mandate to bail out foreign banks operating inside the U.S.?
  • Fisher – We want those that under the law operate in the United States to be able to operate and provide for the needs of American companies and American workers, and those that desire credit in the United States. Whatever is happening in the past, obviously things are much more transparent and changed under the legislation known as Dodd-Frank legislation. We were very open and transparent about what was announced yesterday. Everybody knows what we are doing. That’s the way the game is now played, it will be played that way straight up the field going forward.
  • Kudlow –  Is it safe to say, therefore, since there wasn’t a shortage of dollar demand, the number $2.4 billion is nothing. in ’08 that was close to $600 billion. (Fisher – it was more than $500 billion). People are asking, and you can put this to rest, is this a back door way, if you have European banks and all the big Euro banks operate in the U.S., especially in New York, is it possible that the Fed is setting up a back door way of bailing out those European Banks?
  • FisherI would say no. Again, there is a simple purpose. it’s a great toward deal. That is, should there be a shortage of dollars needed for dollar-based credits, that is what this facility is for.
  • KudlowI guess the last one is, you’ve got a lot of people thinking or asking, after lowering the dollar swap borrowing costs, this is a precursor that the Federal Reserve presumably in connection with the European Central Bank is going to embark on a massive Quantitative Easing throw money out there, this is just the beginning. What do you think of that speculation?
  • Fisher – You know where I stand on that issue. I personal am not in favor of quantitative easing. Here in the united states, FOMC has made abundant liquidity available, the cost of money is cheap. People are not putting it to work to the degree we would like to see all of us, you and I would like to see in terms of job creation. The reason they are not doing it is because fiscal authorities cannot get their act together. we cannot do the job of fiscal authorities. Question – what would additional liquidity do to incent people to create jobs? In my view, that is not something that should be considered at this juncture. No Central Bank can substitute for bad fiscal policy and I don’t think any amount of liquidity makes up for bad fiscal policy. That’s my view, Larry.
  • Kudlow – . Thank you, Richard Fisher, president of the Dallas Fed.


2. Bearish Outlook for Financials – John Roque on CNBC Fast Money – Monday, November 28

John Roque is a well known technician. He is interviewed by Melissa Lee, Guy Adami, Karen Finerman and Tim Seymour of the CNBC Fast Money team.

  • RoqueDon’t touch Financials. That’s what we’re continuing to go with, Melissa. We think the group will continue to work lower over time. We have a chart of the financials market cap as a percentage of the S&P which goes back to 1989. We have an average going back to 1977 – that’s about 12%.  Here they are just over 13%. We think this is a reversion beyond the mean business, not a reversion to the mean business. We ultimately expect this yellow line will work below the long-term average like it did in March of ’09.
  • Lee – are you basically saying the historical average of the market cap to S&P will eventually work its way permanently lower at this point?
  • Roque – permanent is too strong a word but suffice to say that we think the weighting of the financials is going to work into the single digits and stay there for some time much like it did through the ’70s and early ’80s. We have to remember the financial business was a lot smaller then than it is now. We continue to believe if this market remains choppy it’s going to get smaller probably like it was in the late ’70s, early ’80s.
  • Adami – Does that mean we maybe see a rally in the broader market or the financials going to go down faster than the S&P at this point? Are both going to go down, just financials lead?
  • Roque – I think the Financials underperform. So I think the next move for the S&P is lower and I happen to agree with you on the upside. Let’s call it 1215, 1225 and I think you end up selling them there. I think the market still has unresolved action to the downside. I think the financials underperform. So we think it’s better to remain underweight or sell rallies in these things and we think it’s deleterious to your portfolio’s health to continue to try them. If they were cheap, they’d stop going down. They don’t stop going down.
  • Finerman – Do you differentiate between the big cap money center ones and the regionals? 
  • Roque – yeah, Karen. The regionals perform better than the big caps. What’s especially worrisome to us is the action in the Brokers, Goldman, Morgan, Lazard, Jefferies, you name it, they all look worse or lower going forward and worse than banks, of course, and worse than the regionals. We think the brokers still have a lot of downside and we’d use rallies to sell those and the money centers. The regionals act better.
  • Leeyou mentioned unresolved action to the downside on the overall S&P 500. What are the levels you’re watching at this point?
  • Roque – I happen to agree with guy. We think 1215, maybe 1220 is a sale. We think 1,000 on the downside would be the rough part of this recent range, but we have had a 950 target on the S&P which we don’t think is out of the question. We still think there’s unresolved action and we think we have to get there in order to wash sort of this cycle out before we can have a good rally to the upside.

The last few years have taught us that the Fed & Central Banks can make the smartest technician look stupid. For example, John Roque was proved wrong in two days. In this clip, he recommends selling the S&P at 1220. Well on Friday morning, it crossed 1260 to the upside.

3. Jim Rogers Sees Gold Correction – Jim Rogers on CNBC Europe Investors Clinic– Tuesday, November 29

This is a segment in which Jim Rogers answers questions from viewers. Jim Rogers has been an unwavering bull on Gold. So it was interesting to see him argue for a correction in Gold.

Rogers says that the paper market in Gold has become huge and much much more important. It is lot easier for people to sell paper gold than it is to remove physical gold from a warehouse and take it over to sell it. He thinks Gold might see a correction because it has gone up for 11 years straight and that is extremely unusual for any asset class to do that.  So he expects a correction at some point.

When asked when he would start buying Gold again, Rogers sai
d he would be extremely excited at $1,200, get interested at $1,400-$1500 and may like it at $1,600. The deeper the correction, the more he would get excited. But he is not a buyer of Gold at its current price of $1,710. If he had to buy a precious metal, he would buy silver because it is still 40% below its all time high. But he is not buying any of the 4 precious metals at current prices.

Mr. Rogers said he currently owns US Dollar in the short to medium term and at this stage, the US Dollar is a better asset to own than Gold. He also expects the US Dollar to go up even against the Renminbi and every other currency except Yen, which Rogers also owns.

4. Europe already in recession, China slowing cyclically – Jim O’Neill on CNBC Squawk on the Street – Wednesday, November 30

Goldman’s Jim O’Neill is well known as a creator of the term BRICs. Since then, the BRIC economies have grown by 13 trillion dollars, as CNBC’s David Faber points out.

  • Faberlet’s start off with the news that has markets around the world up sharply. This coordinated action to try to unlock what appears to have been a very serious situation in terms of dollar funding for banks in Europe. Is it a good thing or is it a sign perhaps that the crisis is even more advanced than some of us had anticipated?
  • O’Neill – a nice way to celebrate the ten-year anniversary of BRICs with a stock market rally like this, that’s for sure. You know, the way I interpret it, which gives me enthusiasm, the central bank is clearly telling us that they learned a lot from 2008. it is both a sign of how tricky things have become, but it’s also a clear sign of how when they need to do things to stop a replay of ’08, they know exactly the sort of things to do, so I’m pretty impressed. By the way, also importantly, which is what started the markets to turn around in Europe, the Chinese made a reserve requirement.
  • Faber – that 50 basis point reduction in capital, but what’s behind that decision in your opinion in China?
  • O’Neill – I think there are growing signs that the cyclical condition of the Chinese economy is slowing pretty sharply, more than they probably have thought, and highly importantly with it inflationary pressures in China are coming back down sharply, so they’re getting to a position where they can reverse some of the aggressive tightening they have been doing for much of 2011. It’s good news, good news. 
  • Faberbut one wonders given China’s reliance on a lot of buying coming from the European Union and what many people believe may be a recession there, what’s going to happen to the Chinese economy, so a couple of questions there – do you believe Europe is going into a recession and what impact would that have on China?
  • O’Neill – with the caveat of the German data this past week, virtually everything else I‘ve seen suggests Continental Europe might already be in a recession. Because of the deleveraging problem surrounding the supply between banks and European sovereigns, it’s clearly got a lot worse. I would guess data coming up would be weaker again. Two things about it.
    • First of all, Germany, one-third of the Euro area, just printed another drop in the unemployment today and continues to show through some of its business confidence surveys actually better than what people expect. so it might not be quite as bad across the board as many of us have been worrying about would happen. 
    • As it relates to China, you know, as I’ve said since ’08 and the past year, China’s growth going forward has got to depend increasingly on themselves. In many ways, I think it’s not a bad thing for China to face these constant reminders that they can’t rely on exporting to Europe and the U.S. They need to have it reversed and we need to be exporting to them, which I think we will see more and more signs of that as we go forward.
  • O’Neillone of the things I’m going to be looking for on the back of the meeting on the 9th is there’s some talk coming out of Brussels that finally partly to demonstrate their commitment to the Euro project, the Europeans might start moving towards having a single representation at the IMF and at the G-7 and G-8 and that would open the door to a lot more space for the BRIC countries in a lot more effective smaller group than the G-20 and take their role in the world more seriously.


5. We are in the Summer before Lehman – The Most Riskiest Global Banks – Robert Engle on CNBC Squawk Box – Wednesday, November 30

Robert Engle is a professor at NYU Stern School of Business and a 2003 Nobel Laureate. He has created a ranking of 10 global Banks (out of 12,000 banks around the world) that pose the greatest system
ic risk and pose the greatest risk to the global economy. 

Professor Engle does not measure the risk of insolvency of the banks as credit rating companies do. He measures the systemic risk arising from the failure of these banks. It addresses the co-movement between these banks and the global economy.

The dubious honor of posing the greatest systemic risk goes to Deutsche Bank. According to Engle, DB is so big that if its gets into trouble, it has impact that would dwarf others. The 2nd and 3rd riskiest are BNP and RBS.  Two other British Banks are on this top 10 list. On the other hand, the US banks are not on Engle’s list.

  • Engle – We ask if there is another financial crisis, how much capital would these banks need – if tax payers say no, then there is global collapse. The amount of capital they would need in a financial crisis is a big number, it is much bigger than what is discussed in the European press. It is almost exactly the same as the same list would have need in the summer before Lehman. These banks are fragile and if the markets continue to collapse on them, they are going to be in big trouble. We are in a situation very much like the summer before Lehman.

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